Comments on: E-Books and Issues of Entitlement https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/ Booklife gave you the platform. Booklife Now is your expansion kit. Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:13:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.5 By: Frank https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-2957 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:13:43 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-2957 Eh, sorry Jeff, didn't mean to call you James…

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By: Frank https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-2793 Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:16:13 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-2793 James, why for example is Random House asking $16.00 for a ebook version of your City of Saints and Madmen, when I can get a paperback version of it from my local bookstore for less than $10? No disrespect to you, but that kind of pricing makes no sense to me.

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By: Frank https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-2792 Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:08:15 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-2792 Ugh… and I wish it were possible to go back and edit your comments. Please excuse all spelling and/or syntax errors in my last post. ;)

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By: Frank https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-2791 Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:03:47 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-2791 Well, I'll just chime in with some others here in saying that I don't mind paying for an ebook that has a price comparable to its paper edition, but I absolutely refuse to ever pay more for an ebook than a paperback – there's just no justification for it, in my opinion. I really think that on the whole the ebook version should be at least a LITTLE cheaper because there IS a much lower price for their production. So as to Amazon keeping the price of ebook at or below $9.99, I'm all for it when it comes to titles that are out on bookshelves in paperback, because no regular paperback should be costing more than that, as of now. If, however, a title is available in stores only in hardcopy, then I feel it's only right that the ebook versions be priced higher. T

I don't claim any professional knowledge of the book publishing industry, but if they're anything like the music and movie industries then there might be good reason to believe they're more responsible for anyone else in the game for authors getting shorted. If a movie studio can cook its books to make it look like a movie such as Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, to name just one example, created a deficit for them of over two hundred millions dollars (which translates to less money for all involved in the making of the movie, EXCEPT the studio), but then on the end hand expend a tremendous amount of resources on trying to get news laws enacted to "protect" their artists from those evil file-sharers – well, it just goes to show that you have to take everything these big companies tell you with a grain of salt.

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By: Jennifer L https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-605 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:39:36 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-605 Huh. I feel like an old fogey. I hit my teen years–and thus, got my first teen job with its first paycheck–during the mid 80s. What delight, to walk into Waldenbooks with a couple of hundred dollars in my pocket and know that I could spend the entire thing on books.

This is when I first started buying books for myself. But what they had on the shelves then is a far cry from what I see now. What you call "mass-market paperbacks" now were just "paperbacks" back then, and there really weren't many of the oversized, $15-a-pop softcovers you see in stores now. There were hardcovers and paperbacks, and that was it.

I love buying books, but I really don't like the bigger sized paperbacks. It looks uneven on the shelves of my bookcases.

When did that change? (I'm not asking why, because I know that. More profit.)

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By: More Amazon.comFail « Twenty Palaces https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-603 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:21:07 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-603 […] Vandermeer posted about the sense of entitlement many ebook readers show in the comment sections of the Macmillan/Amazon.com threads that have popped up since last week. […]

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By: Geek Media Round-Up: February 4, 2010 – Grasping for the Wind https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-601 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:02:56 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-601 […] Booklife discusses E-Books and Issues of Entitlement. […]

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By: The Great Geek Manual » Geek Media Round-Up: February 4, 2010 https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-598 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:02:04 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-598 […] Booklife discusses E-Books and Issues of Entitlement. […]

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By: Margaret Organ-Kean https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-604 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:25:18 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-604 I buy printing for things other than books; it's absolutely true that for any printed material the cost is in the set up. There's the setup done by the writer, the setup done by editor, the setup done by the designer, and the set up done by the printer. The actual printing – the part that isn’t a charge if what you have is an e-book – is by far the least expensive part of the whole deal.

For example –

In general, if you break it out in Grand Fenwickian shekels (the standard monetary unit for all publishing jobs*) costs for a paper book go something like this –

Fixed costs –

500 Shk – author

400 Shk – editor

250 Shk – designer (no one ever has money for the poor designer)

1260 Shk – overhead**

240 Shk – printer set up costs

plus printing costs

10 Shk – actual printing of 1,000 books urging the overthrow of the

current publishing system

Total – 2660 Shk for the job, or 2.66 Shk per copy.

The publisher prices it at 5.6 Shk a retail copy (wholesale 2.8 Shk), which covers her 5% profit and presumably, the retailer's expenses and profit. To cover the publisher’s costs she must sell 950 copies of the book.

With an e-pamphlet, the fixed costs stack up like this:

500 Shk – author

400 Shk – editor

250 Shk – designer (no one ever has money for the poor designer)

1260 Shk – overhead

Total – 2410 Shk for the job, or 2.41 Shk per copy

The publisher prices it at 5.12 Shk a retail copy (wholesale 2.56 Shk), which covers her 5% profit and presumably, the retailer's expenses and profit. To cover the publisher’s costs, she must sell 941 copies of the book.

The difference in price is .48 Shk – or about 12%.

But what if 2000 people want to buy the book? There’s no increase in fixed expenses for the e-book, so everything copy above 941 is pure profit right? Which would be 1059 times 2.56 or ~2711Shk.

Yes, but it’s pretty close to that for the paper book too. Publishers over the years have gotten pretty good at estimating how many copies a book will sell. Not infallible, but pretty good. So if the publisher thinks the book will sell 2000 copies, she’ll order 2000 copies from the get go which means the additional cost is another 10 Shk. That’s 1050 times 2.8, minus 10 Shk or 2930 Shk. Heck, the profit is higher, because the original wholesale price was greater.

But what if the publisher didn’t know that the demand would be so high? In that case, subtract 250 Shk (printer’s setup costs and actual printing) from the sales of 2800, and you have 2750. The paper book still beats the e-book in terms of profit.

*The real reason I'm using shekels is that people have emotional hang-ups with dollars. Shekels are tip-toeing past your (and mine) emo gatekeepers.

**Simple rule of thumb here – if you're the manufacturer, charge the retailer double what it cost you to make it – this covers your overhead and profit. The retailer doubles the price again, covering her overhead and profit.

Overhead is the publisher's salary, the secretary's salary, insurance, the accountant's fees, taxes, rent, office supplies, heat, light, other utilities, computers, software, etc.) This means that about 45% (this is a guess, and it’s probably more) of what she gets goes to paying stuff that she has to pay, but isn't a direct cost for any one book.

***Of course, if the publisher is wrong, and there aren’t at least 950 who want to buy the book, the publisher will lose money – which must be made up on another book or books – whether it’s a paper book or an e-book.

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By: Jeff VanderMeer https://booklifenow.com/2010/02/e-books-and-issues-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-600 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:53:53 +0000 https://booklifenow.com/?p=382#comment-600 I just think it's possibly simplistic, Will, because, for example, some of the most avid users of social media are people in their thirties and forties. No worries. I think you missed a hint of humor in my response, too.

Jeff

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